Curse

Sagius Truthbarron · Mar 25, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36

Personally, I don't see why Humans/Americans/Whatever are so attracted to breasts. I mean, what is the attraction? Maybe you are thinking "Wow, dude, she could feed alot of kids!"...? I just don't get it.

It just gets on my nerves to hear people comment about other people's breasts. I find that very demeaning and pointless.

Maybe instead of thinking about going out to "see real women dancing" or "see real women in a magazine" you should actually think about talking to real women like they are actually human beings? And maybe even doing so whole heartedly without thinking about what you can get in return.

(>;.;<) See what you did? You are making Kirby cry.. Omg..

Rayne Nightfyre · Mar 25, 2006, 03:43 AM // 03:43

I'll try to restrain myself as best I can here...but come on, getting that excited over pixels...

*Cough-get a life-cough*

Edit: J/K of course (I think)

Studio Ghibli · Mar 25, 2006, 03:49 AM // 03:49

And for those insisting there's something "wrong" with erotic imagery in some manner besides the physical (ie: an actual man/woman), I want you to recognize how OLD pornography as an art form is--how it's been a staple of humanity since its inception, and there's nothing "weird" or "stupid" about it.

Be it pixels or plaster, men and women have enjoyed the physical form in artistic mediums for ages.

http://solomonsrefuge.com/secret_room.htm

I'm not entirely sure if posting the link is against the website. It's.. to me.. not pornography.

To make a point though, I'm including it.

If a mod feels the need, please, censor it.

For those who refuse to look for some uncertainness, the link contains pictures of artwork from Pompeii and Herculaneum depicting.. well.. for lack of a better word, Roman erotica.

In other words, about two-thousand years ago, Romans were looking at boobies and going "HOMG BOOBIES."

If you want to argue "maturity," I'd say it's more at how people handle it as opposed to how people appreciate it.. and, even then, "how people handle it" has to be taken with a grain of salt. We're on the internet. People like to act a little more wilder. It's fun. Just because I say "homg boobies" doesn't betray some lack of maturity. It means he probably acts differently depending on the situation--who he's with, who he's around, his mood.

Otherwise, I'd argue you're the one not being mature. Appreciation for the physical form is part of life. If you disagree, you're disagreeing with AT LEAST two-thousand years of history.

lyra_song · Mar 25, 2006, 03:55 AM // 03:55

.-.

sexuality is good.

I dont see whats so wrong about Rt's having big breasts, just as i have no problem with the Sins being really skinny.

Pi_Numurian · Mar 25, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

A few weeks ago, while PVPing, a friend pointed out that the ranger's chest bounced when she shot arrows. That was new to me..

While playing with the ritualist, I noticed--as she pounded away with her urn against the ground, she demonstrated a similar effect.

Nice attention to detail, Anet. ;P

I noticed that to, my friend Josh liked it

Sagius Truthbarron · Mar 25, 2006, 04:01 AM // 04:01

Nobody decorates their house with 'erotica'. There's a massive difference between tasteful artwork and erotic Pornography.

Just becuase something has been around for many centuries doesn't mean that it isn't mentally damaging. Narcotics have too.

Alot of people are also bringing this way out of proportion, too. Nobody is campainging for a 'breast shrink' of the Ritualists. Nobody is saying "s3xu4lity is teh 5iN".

Studio Ghibli · Mar 25, 2006, 04:08 AM // 04:08

.. at no point have I suggested that people decorated their house with erotica. However, people do. In fact, I'm friends with a few that do. One of them, A WOMAN, belongs to a Catholic family. And, yes, there is a difference between tasteful erotic artwork and pornography--it's the morality of the society and the eye of the veholder.

I never said pornography was mentally damaging. In fact, I'm not even sure where that came from. I said it's been around for a long, long time, and our attraction to it is ingrained in our being. Accepting that is a step toward breaking down this idea that 'OMG BOOBIES = BAD.'

- edit -

I'm blowing this out of proportion, though only because I take offense at people who snub their noses at other people appreciating the human form IN ANY INCARNATION, whether it be in an artistic medium or in actual existence.

I'm not so much sensitive as much as it pisses me off when people get the story wrong.

And, as far as I'm concerned, when people play the morality or the maturity or whatever in issues like this, red button. ;P

Oh, and by the way.

The ritualist boobies are nice. ;D

Studio Ghibli · Mar 25, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

Oh, right.

I meant in the sense of morality and maturity.

Well, to be more precise, I mean to say that the human dealing with pornography is a part of being human--that we have a focus on the sexual, it's been with us for as long as we've been human, and creating a taboo system around it only leads to problem.

People aren't immoral for looking at boobies. People aren't immature for looking at boobies.

.. well, as to be fair, the former is dependant on society, as morality is.. linked to that. That doesn't mean society is right. Just society believes a certain way. Maturity, though. :shrugs:

I can't really organize my thoughts. I'm on the tail-end of eleven hours of Guild Wars. In arguing erotic imagery, its age is PART of my argument, but I don't mean to simply say, HEY, 2K YEARS, PORN OBVIOUSLY GOOD.

I mean more than that. The implications of age and whatever, coupled with.. word.. things..

Let's just agree the boobies are nice. People need to be responsible with their boobie appreciation though.

Sagius Truthbarron · Mar 25, 2006, 04:54 AM // 04:54

On another note, I do now notice that the Ritualist is signifigantly.. Larger... Making the character seem too out of proportion. It just doesn't look right. I'm sure its not the same as it was in the Faction's PvP Weekend.

Studio Ghibli · Mar 25, 2006, 05:06 AM // 05:06

I noticed this too, actually.

It's much more pronounced when you view the ritualist from behind--when she's busy slamming her vase or whatever on the earth.

I wouldn't mind a small scaling down.

Mournblade · Mar 25, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Yeah, now that i've seen it... the female ritualist is rather buxom. I guess we have the full range of 'realistic' sizes from assassin to elementalist to ritualist.

/golfclap

Lord Snow · Mar 25, 2006, 05:36 AM // 05:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Personally, I don't see why Humans/Americans/Whatever are so attracted to breasts. I mean, what is the attraction? Maybe you are thinking "Wow, dude, she could feed alot of kids!"...? I just don't get it.

It just gets on my nerves to hear people comment about other people's breasts. I find that very demeaning and pointless.

Maybe instead of thinking about going out to "see real women dancing" or "see real women in a magazine" you should actually think about talking to real women like they are actually human beings? And maybe even doing so whole heartedly without thinking about what you can get in return.

(>;.;<) See what you did? You are making Kirby cry.. Omg..

Every single thing that I might say in response to this point has already been said...and damned well by Azrael of Outpost Nine.

Peruse with joy and let the mystery be solved.

Former Ruling · Mar 25, 2006, 06:06 AM // 06:06

I did Tests (cause I'm good like that) and The Ritualist female only LOOKS as though she has a huge chest. She is actually a modest C Cup. Awww, the wonderful uses of the bra. You can simulate upto a full Cup Size or more by wearing the right bra

What cant be faked is the Ritualist female dance...thats great

Also I noticed Canthain Elementalist females have had some fixing in that department too. Not much "bigger", but they hang higher and stick out more.

Lord Bentam · Mar 25, 2006, 07:02 AM // 07:02

I noticed it while doing thunderhead keep. BEST QUEST EVA!

lg5000 · Mar 25, 2006, 07:13 AM // 07:13

From what I know, big breasts can lead to a sore back later on in life, especially if they're attached to a petite body. BUT! I'm not big breasted! I remember wishing they were bigger than the small size they are when I was in my teens.. then I got pregnant and.. they got large

And then, after I had my son.. they got painful and uncomfortable. Now, I'm happy the way they are, they suit me, they're part of me. Is it a bad thing that I don't have half the male population paying attention to my chest? Well.. no.

Back to the topic though... let me enjoy having a female character who's blessed with big boobies

If you don't want one like that, don't make one or go for the male version and hope anet doesn't decide to add manbreasts as a joke.

EternalTempest · Mar 25, 2006, 07:23 AM // 07:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Personally, I don't see why Humans/Americans/Whatever are so attracted to breasts. I mean, what is the attraction? Maybe you are thinking "Wow, dude, she could feed alot of kids!"...? I just don't get it.

It just gets on my nerves to hear people comment about other people's breasts. I find that very demeaning and pointless.

Maybe instead of thinking about going out to "see real women dancing" or "see real women in a magazine" you should actually think about talking to real women like they are actually human beings? And maybe even doing so whole heartedly without thinking about what you can get in return.

(>;.;<) See what you did? You are making Kirby cry.. Omg..

It has to do with the whole mating / survival / instinct of keeping the human race going and what you "see" depends on your gender and stage in life.

Oblivion's Hell · Mar 25, 2006, 07:25 AM // 07:25

Strange detail, and we are attached to breasts, for some odd reason.

Lord Dobo · Mar 25, 2006, 08:56 AM // 08:56

Wow, where to begin. There are two things that really piss me off here, and I try my hardest to be moderate in just about every situation I come across. But these two just really irk me... 1) Feminazi dogma and 2) Hippie non-sense.

This country is not ruined by "puritans," it's ruined by hypocrites. Young men are acting immature? Well of course they are! They are just starting to develop a sex drive.Immature remember? NOT developed. We don't rebuke and animal for hunting, yet we will rebuke the young kid for not knowing what to do about his instinct. And who will teach him? Parents? Fat chance, the majority of them are simpering idiots who will not get involved in raising their kids.

And women are the biggest hypocrites. Remember barbie dolls? Evil creation of men made to force women into an unrealistic vision of beauty right? Yeah, deny how you wanted oh so much to be that sexy woman. Women are the ones who through peer pressure cause all of the problems amongst other women. News flash, men will mate with women, regardless, so the stresses are caused by women competing with other women FOR MEN. Hypocrites. Blame anyone but themselves. Refuse to acknowledge an internal drive that has kept the race going for thousands of years.

Baby dolls that young girls play with? Men trying to force women into raising children? No, you'll find most girls will try to imitate their mothers whatever the task. Pure simple fact is women are women and I am sick of women trying to say that their is something wrong with being a woman. Sex is a biological imperative. Women check out women more than men do. Men are just obvious about it. I don't know how many times I've seen a woman eye another woman and then spit out some abusive remark on the other woman's appearance. Jealous much? Know why? It's because women think about sex just as much as guys do, they just won't admit it. Reproductive success in human females is in stability, one reason women get so pissed off if a guy's eyes wander, oh heavens forbid!

You know why I love my wife? Among many other reasons, she see's nothing wrong about the beauty of the female form. I never have to defend myself for noticing that another human being is attractive, and I never question why she'll flip through a playboy. You know the game DOAX beach volleyball? It's nothing but hot girls playing volleyball, and buying swimsuits and accessories. It's like a big batch of barbie dolls. And she loves it. Is she a traitor to women or is she just not denying that she likes to look at something pretty. Hypocrites.

When I see a comment from a guy along the lines "I love boobies!" I assume he is young and will grow out of it. When I see a woman reply "why are men so fasinated with breasts?" I assume a young woman, because women I know who are at least into their thirties have finally figured out that we all like breasts and that sex is not dirty, it's a part of life.

And violence. Please. Try being truthful to yourself. Biological imperitve #2. You know that even "enlightened" cultures still play violent games? Must blow so many minds. So hard to come to terms with being human. God you must disgust yourself everytime your body or mind responds to stimuli. What a depressingly restrained exsistance.

Ok, I said I normally try and be moderate. That's because I recognise that I do live in a society where I need to watch for other's feelings. So I am appologizing right now for hurting your feelings, but I will not revoke my opinions. I am not responding to any one poster, but to a trend I've seen in this thread, and a trend of self denial I see everywhere I go. Have a wonderful day.

xxSilhouette · Mar 25, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Dobo

And women are the biggest hypocrites. Remember barbie dolls? Evil creation of men made to force women into an unrealistic vision of beauty right? Yeah, deny how you wanted oh so much to be that sexy woman. Women are the ones who through peer pressure cause all of the problems amongst other women. News flash, men will mate with women, regardless, so the stresses are caused by women competing with other women FOR MEN. Hypocrites. Blame anyone but themselves. Refuse to acknowledge an internal drive that has kept the race going for thousands of years.

Baby dolls that young girls play with? Men trying to force women into raising children? No, you'll find most girls will try to imitate their mothers whatever the task. Pure simple fact is women are women and I am sick of women trying to say that their is something wrong with being a woman. Sex is a biological imperative. Women check out women more than men do. Men are just obvious about it. I don't know how many times I've seen a woman eye another woman and then spit out some abusive remark on the other woman's appearance. Jealous much? Know why? It's because women think about sex just as much as guys do, they just won't admit it. Reproductive success in human females is in stability, one reason women get so pissed off if a guy's eyes wander, oh heavens forbid!

You know why I love my wife? Among many other reasons, she see's nothing wrong about the beauty of the female form. I never have to defend myself for noticing that another human being is attractive, and I never question why she'll flip through a playboy. You know the game DOAX beach volleyball? It's nothing but hot girls playing volleyball, and buying swimsuits and accessories. It's like a big batch of barbie dolls. And she loves it. Is she a traitor to women or is she just not denying that she likes to look at something pretty. Hypocrites.

Im going to agree that women probley pay a lot more attention to other women then men do. But part of it isn't beacuse they like to look at pretty women, at least for me its not, its more that they like to see what other women are wearing, there jewlry, there shoes, they like to get idea for themselves. If i go to the mall and i see another girl in a cute outfit, im going to look at her, not beacuse i think shes pretty but beacuse i want to get ideas for a new outfit for me.

But when you say

Quote:

one reason women get so pissed off if a guy's eyes wander, oh heavens forbid!

I have to admit, if my guy was just staring at another girls boobs or butt, Then yes im going to get pissed. why? beacuse Its going to make me feel less attractive to him. When your with someone you want to feel attractive and you want to feel like in your guys eyes that you are the most beautiful person alive. Theres nothing wrong with letting your eyes wonder nessisarily, but if he was just staring or continusly looked in that direction, It would make me feel like he would rather me have that type of body.

and you might argue that what i just said is the womans fault, that she should be more confident in herself and trust that her man loves her. But a lot of times guys will go places with there girls and pay more attention to other girls then there girlfriend/wife. and the feeling of jelousy or being pissed isn't about there confidence.

Quote:

You know why I love my wife? Among many other reasons, she see's nothing wrong about the beauty of the female form

And there is absolutly nothing wrong with this. Just like theres no reason a man should see something wrong with a woman seeing the beauty of the male form.

What i personally think is the biggest problem, is when guys(or girls) make it seem they would rather be looking at a playboy, or checking out other people, then looking at the person they care most about. sadly, thats just how humans are. I personally don't really care if my guy would look at another girl, but if he would rather be getting off to playboy then getting off to me, Im going to feel terrible.

and all of that is to a degree off-topic, considering this is about the girls in guild wars...but like others have said it's a game - the girls in guild wars are made of pixels and pretty colors - and they look good. I think the guys shoudl get this much detail myself

LordDeArnise · Mar 25, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by floplag

you gotta love threads like this ! and ill echo the "old guy" sentiment as well

hopwever, when the male chars anatomy starts bouncing, im outta here !

I think we already have that with the male warrior dance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by studentochaos

My girlfriend is always taking her Ele girl and starting naked dance parties while waiting. I just think it is weird, she just laughs hysterically. I suppose everybody has their own thing.

I like that the female A is light in the chest. Do all girls have huge breasts? No. Doesn't mean they aren't beautiful. Congrats to Anet for giving images of all types of women.

Good point there. I understand why some game devs want to make women quite busty and the like...although I don't have any problems with Codemasters and CCR crafting Cora women as they are in RFO (see avvie).

Anyway, back on topic, to me, the devs have kept it real and light enough for all ages to play in, although I won't get into the whole debate on the breast size thing because, as the poster I quoted seem to imply, not all beautiful women need to have large breasts. Heck, what's next? Big women in the third chapter?

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

.-.

sexuality is good.

I dont see whats so wrong about Rt's having big breasts, just as i have no problem with the Sins being really skinny.

I don't have a problem with it either. In fact, I find that the size of assassins are realistic enough. Small in size, but compensate with their acrobats, dexterity, and speed. I don't see any problems with Ritualists either, as they are what they are, although the female ritualists kinda remind me of one character from Star Wars: KOTOR 2.